Where can I find instructions for the Flying Leads to Power+ Cable?
Where can I find instructions and a wiring diagram for the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable"?
I presume that this cable is for charging the Yeti Pro 4000. Is this correct? Does the cable expect 120VAC, or 240VAC? Is the charging speed for this input fixed, or can it be adjusted from the App?
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@Michael_Fryd
From the specs on the Yeti Pro 4000 page:
Power+ (APS): 3600 W, 90-150 V AC, 60 Hz, 30 A
Power+ (Input Charging): 1800W, 90-150 V AC, 60 Hz, 30 A
Power+ and Reunion Auto-Lock are different names for the same port. Input is the default. Output will be a new feature later on.
The AC and Power+ input Amp limit can be adjusted in the App for Yeti 4000 Pro.From the Yeti dashboard click the Gear icon at the top right
Click AC input Limits
Then click Power+ Input Limit
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Thank you, but that's how to use the App to control the Yeti Pro. I am looking for the wiring diagram for the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable"?
According to the Yeti Pro manual, the Yeti Pro 4000 can be charged at a rate of 3000W max, when charging from 240VAC via the Power+ Port.
Unlike the photo in the web store, the US version of the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable" has the three wires colored Green, Black and White. I presume the Green is ground, and the Black is hot. If I am powering the Yeti Pro from a 120VAC source, I assume the White is neutral. The manual for the Yeti Pro says that the Power+ Port will accept 120VAC or 240VAC. Can the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable" be used to provide 240VAC to the Yeti Pro? If so, should the white cable be used for the second hot? (In the USA, household 240VAC is generally provided as two 120VAC hots, that are 180° out of phase. Each is 120VAC to ground, but they are 240VAC to each other).
The "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable" did not come with wiring (or any) instructions. I want to make sure that everything is wired 100% to Goal Zero's specifications so as not to damage the unit or void my warranty. -
@Michael_Fryd,
Good catch on the product page wiring color issue! Looks as of right now we have the images of the EU wire colors on the product page right now. I will have our marketing department correct the images to match the US wire colors.Because the Power+ cable was made as a part in the Escape Wiring Kit along with other cables, the Escape Wiring Kit User Guide is where to find this content (see page 5).
To answer your question about if you can connect 120V or 240V to charge the Yeti Pro 4000?
Only 120V is officially supported. Note: Older documents mentioned 240V but we discovered complications in setup and risks.120V color wiring: Black to Line/Hot, White to Neutral and Green to Ground.
International colours: Brown to Line, Blue to Neutral and Yellow/Green to Ground -
Great information @jg164 !
One other point to note here when using a 240V source on the US model Yeti Pro 4000 (120V): Due to the inverter pass-through feature, it is not possible to pass the AC line voltage to the AC outlets on the product with a 240V supply connected. The 3000W/240V charging feature should only be used when maximum recharge speed is needed. Otherwise, it is preferred to use the Power+ at 120V to retain 30A 120V pass-through/UPS functionality and improved battery longevity. -
Yes, I understand that when charging with 240VAC input, that there would be issues with the pass through.
What happens if I turn on the AC output while the Yeti Pro is charging via 240VAC from the Power+ input?- Will it pass through 240VAC?
- WIll it not turn on?
- WIll it use the inverter to produce 120VAC?
When passing 240VAC into the Power+ input, does the Neutral in the 120VAC output ports connected to hot?
I do understand that the faster charging rate available with 240VAC should only be used when needed, as it is better for the batteries to use a slower charge. However, sometimes a fast charge is needed.
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Thank you. Although the Escape Wiring Kit User Guide doesn't mention input voltage. I believe it only covers powering the Yeti from 120VAC.
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@Michael_Fryd,
I have shared this thread with Marketing so they can update the user guide, and info on the product pages. Thanks for the feedback! -
@Michael_Fryd
I am not sure if this doc is new but I just found an guide on the "Installer Network" page
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Thank you. That's very helpful. Each of the various documents seem to describe a piece of the puzzle.
I think I now have almost all the pieces.
If you take suggestions, I would suggest a single document that contains all of the data on this product.
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Thank you, but where can I find instructions and a wiring diagram for the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable"?
The USA version of the cable has three wires: Green, Black and White.
I presume that the Green is Ground. If I were hooking it up to a 120VAC source, I presume the White is neutral, and the Black is hot (120VAC).
However, the Yeti Pro 4000 manual says "Power+ Port: Input: 120V AC, up to 15A(1800W)/ 240V AC up to13A(3000W max) Output 3600W AC (120V AC, up to 30 A).Can the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable"? be used for either input or output, or only one or the other?
If it can be used for input, can it be used to provide either 120VAC or 240VAC to the Yeti pro? What is the wiring diagram for 240VAC? Should Black be used for one hot, and White for the other hot? (In the USA, 240VAC household power is generally provided on two 120VAC feeds that are 180° apart. Either hot is 120VAC to ground, but they are 240VAC to each other.)
If the "Flying Leads to Power+ Cable"? cannot be used to supply 240VAC to the Yeti Pro, what is the appropriate cable to use?
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I had a lot of the same questions as Michael and many of them have been answered here, but I am still not totally clear on how the power+ port will function. I was really hoping to use the 240V charging input to quick charge things occasionally when other power sources are not available. It sounds like not only can AC power not be passed through in that circumstance, but that it is dangerous to leave 120V loads connected?
This bit is concerning to me:
The Yeti Pro 4000 will automatically open a relay that prevent L1 from touching Line AC output to the AC ports when it detects a 240V power source, but the Neutral path does not have a relay and will not stop L2 voltage from reaching Neutral on these AC output ports.
I think most appliances should actually be fine if they are not damaged and actually were hipot tested? But doesn't that return L2 through the load back to your L1 inverter rail if something is left plugged in? The fact that this information isn't in the manual seems odd if it is in fact critical to not have 120V loads plugged in while running 240 on the power+. The manual just says I can provide 90-254. I assumed that meant that either you had a double conversion system or you had a complete two-pole disconnect. I guess I'm glad I came here first and didn't just try it.
Pass-through aside, will the inverter run at all when the power+ input voltage is out of the 120 range? If not, what is the range over which it will run? Or maybe the right question is what is the cutoff voltage on the L2/N?
What are the extra pins on the power+ for? Does it conform to some kind of standard? If it's a goal zero proprietary technology, then I think the documentation should address the very simple question of "what is power+" where you would have short introductory description of what the standard is for and what it's specifications are.
I think in general the documentation could use some work. This is a powerful and somewhat complex product in that it supports multiple use cases. There is a lot to like about it, but a lot of the people buying it are going to be more technically inclined and with the present documentation they are going to have a lot of questions. Detailed and clear documentation of the interface specifications and a block diagram of the internal pathways/basic logic would be really helpful. Putting all of the pro 4000 ecosystem documentation into one coherent manual would also be very helpful.
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To be clear, when I say most appliances will be just fine, I only mean they probably won't start on fire or kill anyone - I don't mean that they will run ok under those conditions :)
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@NathanPegram,
The Power+ or "3+9" port is not a proprietary connector, but we are using it in a proprietary way. There are no 3rd party cords or integrations at the moment that are designed and tested to be used with the Power+ port.
The 3 larger pins are for AC power, the 9 smaller pins are designed for communications between Goal Zero products. We have not launched any uses for the data pins yet.
Only use the Power+ port with 120V input as recommended and APS will work just fine. -
@NathanPegram @Michael_Fryd
I have revised my original replies above with new information. 240V is no longer supported. Only connect 120V input power to the Power+ port.
